Wells Fargo Bank: In my opinion they must be the Single WORST BANK IN THE WORLD!!!!
Please please please if you are using Wells Fargo. Please switch
banks. Do not reward this bank with your patronage. You're only
helping an evil empire. Please get out now.
I've been with Wells Fargo bank for 9 years now and I can safely say that
nobody in their right mind would bank with them. They are an atrocious
bank. Completely and utterly incompetent. I don't
understand how they've gotten to the position they are in being this bad.
It seems nearly impossible to contemplate.
The following is not the only thing that has happened to me but it is the
most recent and so the most clear in my mind.
In August 2000 I decide I'm going to move back to Japan. Knowing how
complicated it is to get money to a Japan (as I've lived here before) I call
Wells Fargo 24hr hotline and ask them about setting something up for transferring
money to Japan.
They say the (1) I can setup something called an "International Re-occurring
Wire Transfer" but that (2) they have no idea how to set that up as they, at the
hotline center, do not have those forms and so I need to go into a branch.
Not only that but I HAVE TO DO IT AT A BRANCH. I can not be sent
the forms instead and just do it through mail.
So, a couple of weeks later I go into the Brentwood branch (closest to my
apartment at the time) and get the forms. The guy at the bank gives me 3
forms. I
take them home and attempt to fill them out but of course there are many banking
terms I am unfamiliar with like ABA/routing number etc so I end up going into a
branch and asking. I'm told I need the branch name, address, account
number and routing number / ABA number.
So I go home and call the bank in Japan and ask for that info (actually, I
ask a Japanese friend to do it for me). She says they say they don't know
anything about ABA numbers or routing numbers
So I go back to the branch and I ask and then BEG for an example of a
Japanese ABA/routing number so that when I call my bank in Japan I can explain
what I'm looking for. For example if I told you I need a number that
looked like this 542-124-6541 you'd probably know just by looking at it that
it's a phone number. 51235 is a zip code as is 65343-1236.
512-12-4552 is a SS# and 6431 1234 6423 9632 is a credit card #. The
bank is absolutely no help. The claim they do transfers to Japan often
but that they will not even tell me the number of digits as in XXX-XXX-XXX.
I do find out one useful piece of information. They claim I don't really
need this number. It just might take a few extra days without it.
So I go back home and ask another Japanese friend to call the bank in
Japan. I get the same answer, there is no ABA/routing #. Of course
like an idiot I believe Wells Fargo Bank instead of my friend and assume that I
didn't know how to communicate what I meant to her so she could explain it to
the bank in Japan.
So, okay, I decide if they they don't really need this number I'll just fill
out the forms without it. So what if it takes an extra few days. So,
I go to the Santa Monica branch since I'm familiar with it. It was the
closest bank to my old job. I get in line for the tellers and I ask for
help with these forms for "Re-occurring international wire transfers" The
teller has no clue and after fumbling around for a couple of minutes gets
somebody with more experience. That person fumbles around some more, calls
somebody and finally hands me 4 forms (2 of which are different than the 3 forms
I already have) and she hands me a small note with a phone number and says here
are all the forms, and here's the number to call if you have any question.
So, I sit down in the lobby to fill out the forms. I call the
number. It's the 24hr hotline number. I get the same answer I got
before. The hotline people have no clue about those forms. They
don't even have copies they could look at if they wanted to. So now I'm
getting pissed off. As I'm on my cell phone and I'm in the lobby of the
bank I grab the nearest bank person, and hand them the cell phone and tell them
to sort it out. Who the F*CK is supposed to deal with this because the
branch just told me to call this number and the people at this number are
telling me to talk to the branch.
The guy I gave the phone to tells that guy on the phone that he's a branch
manager, he knows what to do and he'll take care of it.
So I wait in the lobby for over an hour while he deals with the 3 people that
were in front of me. Finally it's my turn. I sit down at his
desk. He hands me 3 bank forms, one of which is different still then the 7
forms I've already been handed. He also pulls out somebody else's forms
and says copy these forms and just change parts that you need to change. I
do that. He double checks it, says every thing is great and gives me a new
number to call which he says is the number I'll call when I need to make a
transfer. I thank him and leave
So, 3 weeks later I'm in Japan and I need money ASAP. You are only
allowed to take $10000 out of the U.S. More than that and it is
considered that you are doing something fishy. Renting an apartment in
Japan generally costs 6 months rent. First month's rent, 2 months deposit,
2 months key money, 1 month realtor fee. For a $1200 apartment that's
$7200.00 + more for things like manager's fee, insurance etc. I brought
$9800 with me to Japan but of course I had things I needed to pay for and so I'm
down to $7000.00 So, I call that number. I'm told that they
have no paperwork to speak of about me. WHAT!!!!!!! They
double-check but no, they have no paperwork and they say I should go into a
branch and fill out new forms. Of course I explain to them that I'm in
Japan now. I can't just pop over to a branch. Well, they end up
giving me the number for the Santa Monica branch.
I call. I don't know the branch manager's name but I do know what he
looked like and where he sits. They figure out who it is but he's out
until Monday (it's Thursday).
So I call back Monday. He remembers me and says he'll check into it and
call me back. I explain I'm in Japan and it's 4am. He says to call
him back tomorrow morning and he'll have it all figured out.
I call back the next morning, he's in a meeting. He doesn't get out
until 10am (that's 2am here in Japan). Note that these calls aren't
cheap. I'm living in a motel trying to rent an apartment.
He says he doesn't know what happened. He sent in the forms and he has
no idea where they went. The best he can do is send me new forms. Of
course that will take a week or 2 and then more time to send them
back. I don't know what else to do so I say okay, hoping that even
if I figure out a way around this it will at least be fixed in the future.
Note that as I write this (2 months later) those forms HAVE STILL NOT SHOWN
UP!!!!!
That's not the end of it. First a more minor one.
In order to get a student visa (a visa is permission from Japan to live in
Japan for a specific purpose), I need certain things. One thing I need
which wasn't clear before I came here is I need a "balance statement signed
by a bank manager" showing that I have enough money to live in Japan
without a real job for as long as I plan to be here.
I call Wells Fargo and ask for one. It took a while to get them to do
it but eventually I got a supervisor on the 24hr hotline to claim she can take
care of it. 10 days later it has not shown up and I'm quickly running out
of time. There's a deadline to apply for a student visa. Miss it and
you have to wait another 3 months to get one.
So I call again and explain what I need. They tell me that they, the
24hr hotline people, can't do it but that I can call some special department
that can handle it. I call that department. They are closed. I
call the next day when they are open and am told by that department that they
have nothing to do with what I need. Their department deals with
businesses. They tell me to call the 24hr hotline again and ask for
something specific. I've since forgotten the term but they claim if I say
that term, something like "official account history" or something like
that they'll get it right this time.
So I call the 24hr hotline again. I use that term. They don't get
it. After more run around I get a supervisor again and finally she gets it
and after much begging she sends the correct forms. Thank goodness.
More:
So the next problem, Wells Fargo decides to change my routing number in
mid November. I don't think about it much until early December. I'm
told by my accountant that I need to pay a certain amount of money in taxes
before December 31st or I'll be fined $8000.00 in late fees. Yes, that's 8
grand. Pretty important that I get that money in.
So, I'm about to send in a 540ES and a 1040ES until I think, "hey wait a
minute, if they changed my routing number that means that the checks I have are
no good anymore." I call the 24hr hotline to verify that and I'm
correct. WELLS FARGO HAS ARBITRARILY INVALIDATED ALL MY CHECKS!!!
What the F*CK is wrong with them!!! You'd think that common sense would
suggest that if you are going to invalidate somebody's checks you'd have to
issue them new ones BEFORE you invalidate their old ones. It almost seems
like there might even be a law against this. Anybody using checks on a
regular basis could be really screwed!!!
I ask them about new checks and of course they take a couple of weeks and
getting them to Japan is another story all together. I ask about emergency
checks and they say "Oh, just pop down to a local branch and..."
I'm in JAPAN!!!!! So, the best they can do is put a rush order on
the checks. My account is currently registered to my sister's
address and the guy on the phone says the checks will be there within 5 business
days. I have him read my address. It's WRONG!!! Even though I
called Wells Fargo and updated my address with them, which can be verified since
the statements have been being delivered to my sister, they didn't update it
here. Fortunately I asked him to check it and he claims to have fixed it
just before he put in the order. This is Dec 12th.
Dec 22nd comes around and my sister has not received any checks yet. So
I call the 24 hour hotline again. After digging around for a while I'm
told the checks are at the Newport Beach branch and nobody can explain to me
why they went there. My sister lives an hour away (when there's no
traffic) from Newport Beach. They give me the phone number to the
branch. I call the branch and the lady there offers to send them to my
sister. Of course at this point I don't trust Wells Fargo to be able to do
anything correctly so I ask if I can have a friend that's close by come pick
them up. She says that would be okay and asks for my friend's
name. I ask my friend John who works 2 minutes from there to go get
the checks. He got'em. Thank goodness. UUUUGGGHHHH!!!!!
It's not over.
So now I'm running out of money again here in Japan and it's time to transfer
more money. Before I left for Japan I looked into opening an account at
Citibank because Citibank has a special department, Citibank PBOE (Personal
Banking for Overseas Employees) That can and does regularly handle transferring
money to foreign accounts for people like me. The only bad thing about
those accounts (so far) is that they cost $22 a month. ($15 if you keep a
$5k balance) Of course Wells Fargo said I could set up the same thing with
them but we see how well they did that. But, incase I wanted to switch to
Citibank I asked Wells Fargo before I left for Japan about domestic transfers
and was told no problem as long as the same name is on both accounts.
So, now it's 12/30 and I want to get some more money over here. I'll
probably need it by the end of January. I call Wells Fargo 24hr again
thinking everything is going to be fine. Especially since I've had no
problems transferring money from E-Trade Broker AND E-Trade Bank over the phone
and because Wells Fargo told me it would be fine. NOPE!!! Wells
Fargo will not do wire transfers over the phone period. You have to go
into a branch!!!! The only kind of transfer Wells Fargo will do is from
one Wells Fargo account to another!!! UUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Half an hour on the phone trying to get Wells Fargo to take some
responsibility for these problems and deal with it but they won't budge.
I really don't get how they stay in business. I'm not a lawyer but it
seems to me that I should be able to hold them liable for both the costs getting
money here because they lost my "Re-occurring International Wire
Transfer" forms. THEY LOST THEM. THEIR MISTAKE. THERE
RESPONSIBILITY. Also the whole check issue. Randomly
invalidating all my checks. THEIR ACTION. THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
If I do miss the deadline for my taxes (we'll see, it's Dec 30th and no record
of the checks having been cashed.) If I do get penalized I will talk to
lawyers about recovering the penalty from Wells Fargo.
On top of that they charge me $20.50 a month!!!! They charge me $10.50
a month just to have my account. $2 a month to return my checks. $3
a month called a "Quicken Online Monthly Charge" and $5 a month called
"Quicken Bill Payment"
If I'm paying to have my checks returned and I'm paying for online bill
payment, what's the $10.50 a month for? What service do I get for that.
Clearly they have not provided me with any service. I wonder if there's
any legal issues there? I.e., service paid for but service NOT received.
Note: this is far from the first time I've had problems with them. The
reason I've kept with them is mostly because it's a pain in the butt for me to
switch banks. I use electronic payment though the internet using Quicken
(as I have been for 9 years now) and switching banks would mean going without
that for a month possibly as well as ATM card issues etc. This is it
though. I'm switching. I can't deal with it anymore. They are
more then useless and they are actually causing REAL problems for
me. Problems that cost ME money and time to fix. Problems that force
me to involve and inconvenience family and friends to get fixed.
I remember about 7 years ago being pissed off enough to want to switch.
That wasn't the only time either. I actually stormed out of a branch and spent
the rest of the day interviewing banks. At the time the best bank appeared
to be Fidelity Federal. It's was a smaller bank though and with few
branches and a month after that episode I moved to the San Francisco area and so
I didn't end up switching at that time.
Now I just can't take it anymore. Anybody know a bank that works?
Although I'll be using the Citibank PBOE for transfers and stuff they don't have
all the features I want and they are expensive so I'm still looking for another
bank for my main bank.
U U U U U U G G G G G G G G H H H H H H H H H H ! ! ! ! !
Please please please if you are using Wells Fargo. Please switch
banks. Do not reward this bank with your patronage. You're only
helping an evil empire. Please get out now.
For the most part all you big crying babies sound like morons! Why would you go to any place of buisness and because they are not personally familiar with you rare situation (wires to Japan) why would you yell, make a scene and all in all make your self look like a jack @$$!
I have personally banked with BofA and Washington Mutual. With BofA I walked in and asked for new accounts, I was only 17 and had never had an account anywhere,they said they would make an exception and open an account for my since I was not 18. The women took me to her desk and turned to her computer and finally turned around a few min later and handed me a check book and a catalog to order checks, after that she said sign here and you are done. I asked how much the account was a month and she said since I am a student it would be free and I would have direct dposit. Well evey payday I went to the atm and withdrew and looked at my balance and went from there thinking there were no problems YEAH RIGHT! Two days later I would be overdrawn $200.00. They charged me to talk to an operator, a teller or to even make an additional deposit into my account. As for the free account I paid a little more then $10 a month on top of overdraft fees. I closed that account and went to Washington Mutual.
Washington Mutual was great compared to BofA, I knew what my monthly fees was and recieved great customer service from all the employees. The only reason I colsed my account with them is because I had someone steal my walet and charge on my atm and my credit card and I moved out of town and ther ewas not a Washington Mutual near me.
I walked into a Wells Fargo and I was instantly greeted and welcomed to their new accounts center. I was meet by a personal banker who sat down with and just talked for a little while. She really was trying to find the right account to put my into. We opened the account and I have since had NO PROBLEMS three years later. My personal banker knows my name and always greets me with a smile. If I have to wait in line to see a teller I know it is because they are trying to help someone else who is just as important as I am to them. I would not want them to rush me in and out like I didn't matter, my business to them is very much appriciated, no matter how much I have in my account on any given day. I even talked my sister and my mother into opening accounts with Wells Fargo and they could not be any happier.
I think that if you are going to put your hard earned money into an institution then the first thing you would want to find out is their policys for example their policy reguarding deposits (posting times, holds, etc.). I guess that is just common sense.
As for the people who complain about NSF fees because they overdrew their account by $2 all I have to say is DON'T OVERDRAW YOUR ACCOUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it is a mistake on the banks part then I have never had a problem getting fees reversed or credited back to me, if it is another companies fault I would make them pay me back, just as if you wrote them a bad check and they charge you $25 in fees.
I love Wells Fargo and would NEVER consider leaving them. All you people who have complaints need to really sit down and think about what you did in the first place to cause the problems. If you come up with 'I bank with Wells Fargo.' then close your account, so what if you are going to be inconvienced for a month by righting checks until your bill pay is setup and another bank. Noone is holding a un to your head telling you what to do. If you don't want your mortgage with Wells Fargo then refinance to another bank or shut up and keep on top of everythng, your statements coupon books, etc. Have you information sent to a local branch so that you can pick it up. Be pro-active in your accounts and for God's sake don't yell at the tellers, managers, etc. problems/mistakes happen deal with it and move on. Why are you going to waste time out of your day/life to complain to others about your problems. JUST DEAL WITH IT AND STOP CRYING ABOUT IT!!!!
This is all the time that I am going to spend on this topic, but I will always defend Wells Fargo to any other bank, they have comvient hours and locations and services. Those people in line in front of me who say that they hate the bank and bank somewhere else need to go to their bank and clog-up their lines. Like I said no one is forcing you to bank someplace you don't want to be.
Veronica
a happy Wells Fargo Customer, one of many.